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"One factor common to most people who self-injure, whether they were abused or not, is invalidation. They were taught at an early age that their ...
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Free speech is not a brainstorm tribe where bothering to post much beyond .... Its the easyest and simplest form of invalidation, reflection of the "attack. ...
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You won't find these threads on brainstorm any more because darren (predictably) deleted them.
Which i think proves the point rather well.
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why is this allowed to continue?
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Re: holy spam-floodfest moderator
Today, 9:45 AM
oh please, its always finewhen satan starts three new threads about literally bullshit.
i have a better question for you.
why do you hang out with a bunch of abusive losers who suck down one good tribe of another into trollshit?
And thus, whats your real agenda other than silencing me? as usual?
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n order to have it, you have to define it. but rather than define it so that we can then work to obtain it, lets talk about what it isn't.
Free speech is not a pack of TROLLS and their ALTS determining that the geeks can't have a conversation by always trolling them down, trashing their threads, hijacking threads, being abusive, using slander and personal defamation, manipulation and headgames, and everything else to shut you or anybody that might have thought of talking to you up or out.
Free speech is not the same 25 personalities forming a troll clique and then systematically destroying/ consuming one tribe after another
and reveling the glory of their evil super powers.
Free speech is not a brainstorm tribe where bothering to post much beyond a one liner idea puts you in the firing gallery,
and free speech is not an obvious patent sociopath beating people up psychologically who runs how conveniently the management/user interface aspect of tribe.
Free speech is not a cult of asshats, keeping everybody else from communicating, nor is it a cult of control freaks, keeping everybody else
from communicating.
To hear the TROLLZ tell it, free speech means that they should by definition get to say whatever they want and thats that.
They should be able to libel, stalk, harass, defame, abuse, use abusive language, mock, and use logical fallacies and propaganda
to beat you down; not with sense, nor reason, nor as shatter would have us believe with his utterly shallow and insipid imitation of
"compassion."
But with mere noise, nonsense, and mockery.
Thats the troll idea. and most social networks and most twentieth century institutions have bought this, hook line and sinker.
They figure anything else is either too governmental or too complicated, and nobody really knows how to represent a rules based system
that would protect real free speech, let alone implement one in a program, .... so nobody bothers.
Erstwhile, civilization goes to hell in a handbasket as does tribe and most everything else because geeks of the true variety are outnumbered 100 to one by evil bastards, and 1000 to one by pack psychology sleepwalkers.
Pearls and swine, pearls and swine, flushing it all down as we go and its all trod under and gone....
the conversations we pretended to have, while trollz spewed the place with the shit guaranteed to cover over and thus functionally erase any gems.
What then is free speech? free speech is the simple proposition that people should be able to say what they want; AS WELL AS HAVE THE KIND OF CONVERSATION THEY ARE LOOKING FOR. Otherwise, all any of you are doing is going and talking to an empty forest,
and the most of the lot of you thus wouldn't pass a good turing test.
Free speech is not me trying to talk about things and then people attacking me for trying to talk. it is not about shatters egotism or his utter
ignorance or his headgame vampire parasite head trip.
It is not Mr M freaking out and having a cow on my thread and then later admitting that he was there simply to silence me and anybody else
i might try to talk with.
It is not skooter, who, tho his intentions are much better, lives in that environment and who thus has become a bit too gun happy,
spritzing you with bullets that make no sense.
Free speech is when the geeks can have their geek conversations and the trolls can have their conversations.
Not when the trolls can pre-empt any geek conversation, and not when geeks pre-emptively demand that trollz always behave.
To hear the trollz tell it society is in mortal danger from the geeks imposing some sort of fascistic moderation scheme.
This is a total reversal and doublethink and projection. The truth is that these people are actively engaged in social warfare
for ego purposes, and they are thus social parasites who want an easy slaughter of fresh innocents.
The truth is that its the geeks who for the love of god cannot find one damn good intellectual conversation on all of tribe...
or for that matter, one good intellectual.
Free speech is not catering to trollz and letting them drive anybody else away, and it is not listening to the idea of free speech contorted into
a weapon against itself and believing in that as a dogmatic delusion.
Free speech is for the most part nowhere to be found in your civilization. everybody talks but nobody listens. Most people don;t have anything worth listening too anyways, and it forms a circular habit. As parrot chatter affirming the existence of ego and social identity,
thats great. but tribe has a 99th percentile tribe thats obviously been infiltrated by the same old crew of tribe trolls all with IQs under 120.
Its got a tou watchdog tribe that is now renamed tou corndog. I'm sure thats a comic relief.
Everywhere you look on tribe its the same thing. every major conversation space on tribe is shit because there is so little moderation and
so few people left with any intelligence.
One only has to look around a lot more to see interesting differences. Go to some chat zone site where your only allowed a one sentence contribution at once. stay on it for three days straight and then come back and tell me it has any meaning compared to a full conversation
with things like paragraphs.
It works great for children, the socially inept, or people with IQs under 90. For the rest of us, theres too little bandwidth.
TROLLZ and anti free speech are the same thing. its bandwidth control, and it drives everything stupid. This suits trolls fine because the reason why they are the way they are in the first place is that they are only able to think in terms of competition with a population that they
more or less consciously or subconsciously know is composed of their intellectual superiors. All TROLLZ are overcompensators for
their lack of social skills and their lack of intelligence.
And tribe buys it. And tribe expects anybody other than TROLLZ and sheeple to stick around.
"You are free to make your own tribe."?
And do what with it exactly?
Spend thousands of hours competing with troll tribes to lure sheeple back to my tribe?
Participate myself in the scam of it all and actually go find intellectuals to bring as fresh meat to TRIBES
canned troll food factory?
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Re: holy spam-floodfest moderator
Today, 9:48 AM
so why are you only against free speech when i'm the one talking?
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Re: holy spam-floodfest moderator
Today, 11:18 AM
yes.
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are you actually talking
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yes, i am actually talking. events of recent have made me reanalyze my relationship with tribe and all i find is disease and wasted
time.
I think theres a point to be made there... technically in most respects tribe lost me as a user a long time ago.
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or manifesting a surging tide of existential discontent within yourself,
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yes, thats there fer sure. i keep coming back to this tribe and trying to work things out with TRIBE and etc...
and what do i get for it? a lot and a lot of thank yous from people who are literally too scared shitless to come in here and post.
and shit from the same old people who make those people too shitless to come in here and post.
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culminating in some unexpurgated tidal wave of blah on the internet that really only ultimately reflects the same things you are railing against?
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Reality is funny like that. to carry communication across when all else fails, sometimes joining them to beat them is the only method thats
got a chance.
I find the whole thing disasterously distasteful and i am sure anybody else probably does 2.
But facts are facts, and so we arrive back at square one.
TRIBE is one of the internets worst trollahattens, and a primary reason why is that the old staff were trolls, these people didn't and now don't have much for communication skills, and blaming the victims and denying culpability is just that easy, whereas talking about or resolving the problems is just that hard.
TRibe nearly fell down the last time because the staff broke into three warring parties. And then you have pinkus VS darren.
You'd think we cold learn the lesson without repeating history.
Just because tribe CAN let anything go doesn't mean it should, and abusers and head gamers should be dealt with fairly
by dealing with the shit they raise - not deleting profiles.
Having a PET TROLL in the management -user liason position aka Shatter does what to the system?
in auto inserts abuse and troll shit as the communication style into all of the tribe tribes, which then sends the signal all through tribe
of how low the standards really are.
I shouldn't need to point out that this guy is a chronic habitual liar, that he exists in this room primarily to get his ego kicks off shooting
people down(and making sure all anti troll measures are defeated.) And that hes said things which would technically make him and tribe suitable for libel... almost on a daily basis.
Yeah, i think we should talk about it rather than sweep it under the carpet, and on top of that, if tribe can't face this problem here and now,
then it never will, and any promises it may have made to me become moot as carrots attached to fairy tales.
Either it matters to TRIBE, or it doesn't. If it DOES, then lets deal with it rather than pretending its not an issue so we don't have to.
If it doesn't, then my job is to cram it down tribes throat how much they suck until they finally use their moderator tools on me exactly in
contradiction to their own pre-stated moderation terms.
Or leave tribe, period.
Leaving tribe period isn't that bad of an idea.
of course, fixing it is a much better idea.
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which psi senses do you use?
