Here are the problems I see and here is how i see fixing them.

Problems;
1. Theres not enough information out there thats good.
2. Obama (or etc Nader, Kucinich, personality X) is just as susceptible to bad information as anybody else is until he gets his own education.
3. Trillions of Dollars are spent and Trillions more are wasted (every year) keeping the population spoonfed propaganda and thus dumbed down.
4. Our problems are too large and too complicated for any one person to solve- Even me, and I have been working on it more sincerely and with more
God given skills for it than any presidential candidate.
5. Washington is full of lobbyists and voices who are all clamoring to be heard. They are selling all of them trash ideas, non solutions, and crap, which gets
them money in the short run by screwing the masses.
6. Each and every single one of our problem areas can be traced back as a whole problem to the intervention and corruption of Corporations.
Our civil rights, The energy problem, the Environment, government ethics, economics, homeland security, etc... each of these issues right now has a core contributing root which is that big money likes these problems because these problems make big money. Immigration, social security meltdown, privatized healthcare, the push to privatize education... The repugnicon method is to divide and conquer and then treat the wounds as eco niches, and move in.
7. The repugnicon method is to divide and conquer, utilizing propaganda and corporate power leveraged against the citizenry. Republicanism is by definition
a parasitic agreement between luxocrats and ignorant and uneducated dupes.
8. Politicians with law degrees are trained to make good arguments. Not solve problems. A law degree is not a degree in Sociology, Civil Engineering, Education Reform, Medicine, Energy Science, Physics, Agriculture, or etc. Lawyers with presidential campaigns don't have the knowledge base required to
solve these complicated problems. Thus; ONLY a SOCIAL MOVEMENT can bring about REAL CHANGE.



Solutions;
1. Build an open source think tank in order to actually work on overcoming the problems.
2. Utilize formal logic, reason, and science fact, to work on a scientific problem solving process.
3. Utilize group intelligence in order to actually create problem solving process and then real solutions.
4. Realize that it actually only takes a very small number people that are truly focused to come up with the real solutions.
5. Understanding this, realize that theoretically, 100 people working 40 hours each could probably solve the problems
better than both or either parties plus ralph Nader Combined.
6. Understand that these solutions, unlike presidential platforms, would be constantly evolving and growing in sophistication
as more people and more information and more ideas were added.
7. realize that bad ideas would thus actually be filtered out.
8. Given that 1-7 are so, what will be required in order to have an informational revolution is 100 persons or so, to do the original work load.
9. Once that is done, an additional 5 hours per participant in order to advertise, plus a 100 dollar investment to advertise in the local newspapers, etc,
will create a viral and geometrically increasing social movement, which will become, rapidly, and unstopable wave form.
10. Understand that when the energy peaks, Thousands or millions of particpants will become involved, and that instead of mob intelligence which
grounds mob thinking in stupid, the new rules of this form of communication will create a situation where mass intelligence brings intelligence into phase
and into harmony, thus creating a group IQ which is dozens of times smarter than any one single participant.
11. This will be the smartest and most powerful think tank ever created; A neurological net combined with the internet to create a new virtual organism;
A collective mind of WE THE PEOPLE.

12. The way to do this rests in the fundamentals of formal conversational logic itself. The rules by which such a group mind must operate are inconvenient
to control freaks, propaganda artists, and so forth, but they are simple rules which formal conversational logic has in fact understood now for centuries.

The Criteria for a Functional Group SuperIntelligence are these;
1. Dynamic and sufficient organization. Threaded conversations, multiple forums, a virtual filing cabinet formed to house any considerable problem solving process.
2. Genuine open democracy and true transparency even in self governance.
3. Conversational Logic is used to determine neutrality and truth value as well as relevance
4. Collaborative and Cooperative mood and atmosphere
5. Open and free space seperated from problem solving process for minority dissent; Internal hosting of splinter or counter movements.
6. Meritocratic Intellectualism
7. Non Violent communication and organization for use as primary tools of "moderation."
8. Participant agreement that all past paradigms are to be mined for their good and shredded for their bad.
This includes republicanism, democratism, socialism, Corporatism, And all other political isms.
9. Participants understand that they are mutually creating new paradigms, but that even a new paradigm is potentially just the next larger mental box;
inoculation against groupthink via familiarization with epistomology, epistomological problems, and symbology psychology.
10. Each participant is tasked to research, compile, read, report, self educate, work a group thought experiment, rinse, repeat.




mytalktoday.com/forum/index.php

in case anybody misses me, thats where i have gone.
I'm an admin/moderator over there. YAY!.

It will serve my purposes much better i think than over here.

:)

Tho i assume i will stop in form time to time for the stuff that won't play well over there.
and to try to dig up more people to come on over...


It is ti me for all true patriots to come together to discuss our problems, their definitions,
realistic problem solving process, and the solutions which together we can find. It is time for us
all to follow each of these golden arrows shot from the Bow of Obama, out to its resting place,
To look at what he is pointing at, and then to begin to build together a possible world inspired by his vision.
Let each of us know that we all have a stake in these problems and their solutions, and we all have
wisdom or knowledge which can be applied to the process. Lets talk about the issues. Lets snatch the dialogue
away from petty manufactured distractions. Lets have an ADULT conversation about politics, for the first time
in history. We must be the change we wish to see.
"Never doubt that a small group of people working against impossible odds can change the world. Its the only thing
that EVER has."
tribes.tribe.net/obamaknig...5d-4de3-b5 53-6c5e8e81850a

Get eight freinds together and try it.
If you practice only a few hours, you should start having at the very
least an awesome choral group. And if you go on for a while,
you should start making transitions into Theta states of consciousness.

This is called Glossolia.
It is a reconstruction based on an intrinsic understanding of several
key principles about how mind works. I won't try to explain why it works,
I will just tell you that it does.
(after you have tried it and want to understand it, come on back to me
once you have the experience that will make my explanation make sense to you.)




The internal dialogue structure of Theta States of consciousness is harmonic-
musical. We know this as people often experience "hearing a chorus of Angels"
when a Theta condition is induced.

Drumbeats at the same cycles per second as a given state are powerful cues
that can help us to enter altered states of consciousness.

The following is a methodology for entering Theta states of consciousness, designed
by yours truly.




prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:28 PM 3 out of 31


Trybl Vortx Part Two, The Prequal.

Drummers Parlance.

In theory, the Trybl Vortx system by itself should work fine.
It is an absolute
description of the variables involved, and a total solution.
In practice,
singing like angels is too hard.
The requisite skill, or understanding involved
is too far removed from human experience.

Thus, we have "Drummers Parlance", Both a pre-quel game, and a description of a
very specific form of communication.
Drummer's parlance is simply the communication verbally of a pattern or
patterns, which can then receive tonal or musical counterparts. Drummers'
parlance in the strictest sense is non-tonal, or rhythm only. Sounds are
representations of various durations of time.

The duration of time covered by a "A" is a .1 amount of time. The duration of a
"Ta" is.2 duration of time. The duration of a "Ka, or a "Te" is also a .2
representation of time. Then a "Toom" is a .3 duration of time. These
definitions can be stretched, but the general idea is there.

Then, those kinds of syllables are arranged to count time in pattern. The
pattern repeats, and that is what gives us a "Full measure" of time.

For instance:


Tecka Tecka Toom Toom Te Ka Toom Ta La Toom Teck Teck Ta Ta

Tecka Toooma Tecka Ta Te Ka Ta Tooma la Teck Toom Teck la

Ta Tecka Ta Toom Ta Ta Ta La Tecka Tecka Ta Tooma Ta Ta Ta

Toooma Toooma Ta Ta Ta Toom Ta Toom Ta La La Ta Tooma Ta La

Elata Ta Lata Eee La Ta Ee Lata Tooma Ala La Ee La Tecka Tecka

Tee Tooma Tee Tooma Ta Ta Tecka Tooma Elata Tao Teck Toom Tecka Tao

Ticka Ticka Tock Tao Ticka Tooma Tock Toom

Tick Tock Tao Tao Ticka Tao Tecka





prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:30 PM 4 out of 31
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This gets us to 29. I am going to go with the idea that you get my point
before
I count to a thousand.
The point is that we have now created 100 "phrases" if we count that high,
which
are one or two beats long. The Lengths of the various beats is variable and
is
the most interesting part of all of this. If we say that it all just goes
from 1
to ten, then Tao-Aum is 13 counts. Rhythms we feel comfortable with are
at their
simplest 3 beats long. The heartbeat is Ta-silence-Doom. More complex rhythms
go
up into the 20 beat range but not much higher. Any set pattern should repeat

within 20 beats or the human mind won't be able to comprehend it.
Tecka Tecka Toom Toom is six beats, and in the time of the second exploration,
4,1,4,1,5,5 counts long. 20 counts. A pattern at 23 beats;
Tecka Tecka Toom Toom Elati Tati Toom Toom Tecka Tecka Elati Tati Toom.

With a count of 4,1,4,1,5,5,2,1,2,2,2,2,5,5,4,1,4,1,1,2,2,5 for sub- total of
10, 10,11,10,10,10. And a total of 61 counts.

So the point of all of this is to get a mental picture of what is possible for
different kinds of rhythm patterns.
The Idea of drummers parlance is that I should be able to say to a drummer,
"Give me: Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati Toom Tao" And have them go, "Give
that to me three times." And I Go "Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati Toom Tao
Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati Toom Tao Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati
Toom Tao Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati Toom Tao" And Then They are doing
it
with me, and it sounds good, because we are both in the same pattern.
Then, I can play my flute inside of the pattern of the drummer, and the next
thing you know, we sound like a rocking duet.

That's only part one of Drummers parlance and it's the most interesting half.
The other half is even more annoying and more like an exercise but it really
works.
This other half is basically as simple as "counting time."

123123123123123123123123123123123
123,123,123,123,123,123,123,123,123
12341234123412341234123412341234
1234,1234,1234,1234,1234,1234,1234,
12345, 12345,12345,
12,1234,123,123,1234,
123,12,123,1234, 12,
And so forth on and on into infinity.

By learning Drummers Parlance, we are learning to think in the kinds of patterns
that we have to use later on in Tick Tock Tao.





prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:31 PM 5 out of 31


The rest becomes a question of what you are trying to express.
The answer is of
course that you are trying to express an emotion,
which is really just a state
of consciousness.
Realizing this, we are looking at 4 states of consciousness,
and realizing that certain tempos,
beats, and tones describe each of these
states. Thus, music can be created specifically to harmonize the individual
into
a given state of consciousness.
(But this hasn't been done as far as I know yet, only frauds have tried it,
people who had no real understanding of states of consciousness, or not
enough
skill.)

Where do we go from here? We start a pattern, and we show how any such
pattern
evolves musically and harmonically,
how slow beats have within them the seeds of
faster beats and how fast beats are tied to slower beats.
Using the eight roles,
any given pattern can become a total song.

The entire process is in a sense best accomplished in a large group of people.
The 4 track is a great tool, but we don't have 20 earphones
and 20 plug-ins for
those earphones for 20 people to participate in recording.
So we get the people
singing first, and then once we are really rocking we make our first sample
recording. Then, if we want to, we take that to the 4 track and add in whatever
we want to. Since we don't have 20 people, the best thing to do is to go with as
many as we can get.
The main thing is that everybody has to do his or her homework.
They have to get
a real sense of what we are doing away from it all.
They have to actually read
the form. Otherwise it's just playing around.
The other thing is we have to have
an understanding that we approach things from a very serious level at first.
Sure it leads into fun, but without focus it disintegrates into noise.
I'd love to be able to hang out for 60 years and play with everybody, but I
can't afford to. What has to happen instead is people have to take responsibly
and seriously the information I am giving them for 30 minutes at a time a few
times a week, and then in a week or two it will be the Angelic Choir.
And then we can release the forms and the structure as just a tool that got us
to the place of being able to play at a more sophisticated level.

Thank you for your time and energy. May peace love and light win within us all.
PrometheusPAN





prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:32 PM 6 out of 31


>TRYBL VORTX (Part One)
Tick Tock Tao
Is a specific form for improvisational singing with a group of people.
Using
this structure, We move from simple to complex, with each individual
adding
another level of complexity. By attuning very specifically to the pattern
as it
all ready exists, we evolve the pattern without loosing each other.
Thus we can
be together as long as we use the structure.

The Idea here is that we have modeled the timing and harmonics relationships
that naturally exist with each other, and come up with "parts" or "roles"
that
reflect these relationships. Then, we model the natural evolutionary path
of a
pattern, as it moves from complexity to simplicity, and we find that in
essence,
these roles have an order to them in terms of who follows who and what
follows
what.

In reality Tick Tock Tao is thus nothing new. It is simply a way of
organizing
things that are well understood all ready. When we look at Tribal
cultures all
over the world (or what is left of them after being effected by the global
hive...) We find that they have very specific formats for social
interaction in
different states of consciousness. Whereas we, the global hive,
have protocols
structure or format for existing in only one state of consciousness.

The words "Tick Tock Tao" are culled from inside of a trance space.
The entire
sequence was at one time used as a trance cue to enter a specific state of
consciousness. The meaning of the words is as follows. Tick refers to time.
Visualize a clock. Music is all about time and timing relationships.
Rhythm is
in a sense just various ways of counting time.
Tock has a double meaning, including Talk. Talking, communicating.
Tick Tock Tao
is a way of learning to communicate musically, rather than a way of creating
entertainment. We try to treat music from the very different perspective of the
shaman. We have two hemispheres in our brain, and one side is verbal while the
other is musical. The fact of our attunement to pitch and the ability of our
voices to sing indicates that at one point in time in human history, we sang to
each other as a form of communication
I have taken this presupposition one step further, and have tried to understand
how music can be used as a genuine shamans tool for facilitating altered states
of consciousness. Specifically, in Theta states of consciousness, Those states
associated with spiritual experience and perception of subtle levels of reality,
we can expect the human animal to have communicated musically, rather than
phonetically. The reason is simple and is about personal experience.
In Deep Theta states, the energy of the electrical impulses in the brain comes
into phase. Millions of signals that in Beta states of consciousness are just
going off in their own way in their own time and their own direction all
suddenly come together "in phase" or in harmony. The hum that is experienced is
audible to the ear, as the electrical output of the brain no longer scatters
itself in patterns of interference but amplifies itself in patterns of sustained
harmony.




prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:33 PM 7 out of 31


Tao refers to the idea that we are indeed changing our state of consciousness
through the use of this exercise. Specifically, we are moving from the yang
waking state to the yin waking state. Thus, the Tao of consciousness is
spinning.


The entire poem:
"Tick Talk Tao" said the Druid to the Drow,
"Be here now and keep your vow to remember.
Do you remember, before you were born?
Leaping through the barley and dancing in the corn?"

"Tick Tock Tao" Said the Faery in the Tree
To the Cave monk sentinel of the cave monk Key
"It's the birds and the bees and the omens I see
That opens the portal of perception to me.

(The poem is an instruction for the ego wall to disintegrate allowing the memory
of pre-mortal existence to come into consciousness.)

Drummers Parlance
Tick, Tock, Ti, Ta, Tia, Ticka, Tocka, Toom, Tooma, are all sounds that are used
in verbal communications of drummers' patterns. This is called "Drummers
Parlance" and is a reality model that was presented to me by a master drummer.
The drumming in the community in which I was operating vastly improved as he
introduced the idea to us.

The Essential Idea
The idea is simple. We can communicate the drum patterns verbally and
phonetically. If we can't do that, we shouldn't be drumming. (At least according
to him.)
The reason is that verbal and phonetic communication proves that understanding
exists about pattern. Otherwise there isn't necessarily and in fact true
understanding. Most drum circles are very chaotic and a-synchronized to the
trained ear.

Instructions
In Tick Tock Tao, there are eight roles. The roles are organized into "Alpha"
and "Beta." Which means "Leader" and "follower." (To some degree. As you will
see, the relationship between Alpha and Beta oftentimes gives the Beta more
freedom and more responsibility too.) The role types are Aummer, Drummer,
Singer, and Whisperer.
These roles represent the natural evolution of pattern. We go from tone, to
rhythm, to song, and out away from order into chaos. Thus, the Aummers start,
and are given time to warm up, then the Drummers Start, and are given time to
warm up, then the singers start, and are given time to warm up, and then the
whisperers start. Nobody is really waiting for them, at least not until level
two.
The Whisperers have a special role. They perform slowly the evolutionary path
of all three other types of roles. When they finish, if the groove is still
going, the Aummers become Whisperers. They get to drum, and then sing, adding
their own parts to the more
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prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:35 PM 8 out of 31



complex pattern. Once the Aummers have been singing for a while, The drummers
should feel free to sing also.
In this way, the pattern evol