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CircumcisionFri, January 25, 2008 - 5:53 AM
"Anyone who advocates circumcision should be required to watch that (video)" J.M. Columbia, MO
"The AMA supports the general principles of the 1999 Circumcision Policy Statement of the American Academy of Pediatrics, which reads as follows: Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In circumstances in which there are potential benefits and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child's current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child. To make an informed choice, parents of all male infants should be given accurate and unbiased information and be provided the opportunity to discuss this decision. If a decision for circumcision is made, procedural analgesia should be provided. "
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I'd like to take this timeto thank my mother for not putting me through that kinda torture.
THANKS MOMMA!!! I LOVE YOU EVEN MORE NOW!!
Because my son is circumcised...I have exposed him to a pedophile (the doctor who performed the operation).
I have destroyed his future sex life because he with either avoid all sexual contact because of a subconscious memory of the pain or he will be the next step from a rapist, pummeling partner after partner with his deadened stump of a sex organ in his futile quest for a satisfying orgasm.
He will have severe, lifelong, psychological problems because he is no longer a complete man.
I have exposed myself as a psychotic sadist who loves to torture helpless infants and who should, obviously, not be a parent.
YouTube is very educational.
Though I will give you that if I had been required to watch that first, my son would most likely not be circumcised.
(I'm not saying any of the above are Ronnie's opinions. It's all information gleaned from the comments on the linked video)
Ouch!God damnit! I KNOW that shit must have hurt me... were I to attempt regression therapy I expect it's every bit as traumatic as birth, and inaccessibly blocked out. Torture all the same - and grossly unfair if you ask me. It's not like anyone ever asked _me_ if I wanted the better sex or not... my own answer might have been very different. Duh... I'm a gentile... hello!
A few years ago a friend here in Anchorage did some research into what people know and how they know it vis a vis human sexuality (thank you, Dr. Kinsey!) and she wanted to present the research results in a way people would actually want to know about, benefit from, and appreciate. Such as via a piece of community theater. So, she took the idea of Eve Ensler's "Vagina Monolgues" and created "The Vagina-Penis Dialogues" to summarize and share the research results. Being female, she said she did not feel comfortable speaking for the penis, so I wrote much of the script for that perspective and in the play was the voice of the penis. My feeling was that circumcision is the biggest issue in male sexuality being largely unaddressed today, so we made it a major focus of the play. The play was recently revived in Santa Fe, NM; Eve Ensler has seen it, thinks it is great, and has encouraged it to "go pro." Here, following below, is the handout given to people during performances in the lobby at intermission and after the play at both the Anchorage and Santa Fe series of performances. Several people have told me that their little boys born since then who otherwise would have been routinely sexually mutilated were not directly because of the parents having seen the play. For your possible interest here is that handout
Circumcision = Male Genital Mutilation?
During the creation of the VP Dialogues the topic of circumcision turned out to be surprisingly controversial even among the cast. Why should so many lines in the play be directed to circumcision versus female genital mutilation, child molestation, or rape? Should it be called “circumcision” or “male genital mutilation”? What are the sources for facts being used and how valid is the data? Will the medical community feel offended if issues of economics are mentioned? There was even a fear of causing males in the audience and cast to suddenly feel inadequate about themselves by reason of having been circumcised. As the original voice of the penis, however, to me it seemed important to take these potential risks and raise the issue into conscious consideration.
Significant education has already been accomplished regarding female genital mutilation, child molestation, and rape. Those topics are well-deliberated and public awareness surrounding them is quite high. By contrast, few think much about the surgeries performed on infant male genitalia and the ongoing physical and psychological results of those surgeries. As has been recently much-commented upon with regard to liposuction and cosmetic surgeries, there is no such thing as a surgery without significant risks involved, especially surgery on the genitals. Circumcision is not, however, a well-deliberated topic in our society, awareness of this issue is remarkably low, and so we grappled with the issue here in the VP Dialogues.
Parents who have now given birth to healthy baby boys have told us they opted to not have their boys circumcised expressly because of the info and perspective they gained from the VP Dialogues and this handout. These lucky lads will have a very different experience of life because of their parents’ important well-informed decision.
Web research you can easily perform by searching keywords like “circumcision” and “male genital mutilation” will bring up an abundance of information. Several excellent books are available on the topic, such as Ronald Goldman’s “Circumcision.”
Since a photo is worth a thousand words, links to various photo pages are also provided in the following list of URL web addresses. If you send me an e-mail with a request for this document in digital form then I will e-mail you the digital version, saving the step of needing to carefully type in the web addresses; AlaskaSteven@yahoo.com
Look at the photos, read the firsthand accounts of parents, and form your own evaluation. Specific information in the VP Dialogues script may be checked and verified at these sites. For example, yes, not only are large fees charged by the medical business establishment for performing these elective surgical procedures—estimates range from $210 million to over $1 billion annually—but some foreskins are indeed also then sold for profit (without the knowledge of parents). Such foreskins are used for testing cosmetics and for cell and tissue cultures by the biotech industry. Most physicians are not motivated exclusively by profit-seeking in performing these procedures, yet a financial incentive does exist, especially for hospitals. Lack of awareness regarding the liabilities involved as well as the persistence of a myth regarding cleanliness seems to be the main reason this dangerous and harmful surgery is allowed to routinely continue. In fact it is no more difficult to keep a foreskin clean than it is to brush one’s teeth; the American Cancer Society has issued an official policy statement against circumcision. Circumcision may reduce rates of HIV infection among truck drivers frequenting prostitutes along the Kinshasa highway in Africa, yet such unprotected sex is still vulnerable to hepatitis, gonnorhea, syphilis, and other STDs as well as unwanted pregnancy …so what rational basis is this point for having the foreskin of a baby American boy cut off given the risks of permanent harm and altered experience?
I have annotated these links so you have a sense of what to expect before clicking in. None of these sites are in any way pornographic. Your boys will thank you later if you make a well-informed decision on their behalf.
The Original Penis,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision -Wikipedia overview.
www.circumcision.org/ -info in depth on subtopics.
www.nocirc.org/ -a diversity of topical links & resources.
www.fathermag.com/health/circ/gmas/ -a father’s account of his son’s experience with most angles of the debate covered. Very informative. All text, no photos.
www.infocirc.org/fourn.htm -case report from a medical journal, written by a urologist, on the case of an infant needing treatment for infection following an uneventful routine circumcision. A series of photos clinically document the case. Be advised: it is hideous what happens to this poor boy.
josh.bakehorn.net/circ2.html -a passionate summary statement on the behalf of helpless infant boys.
www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/fe...htm -disturbing evidence supporting claims for isolated instances of medical sadism and a more pervasive long-term set of psycho-sexual disturbances stemming from or associated with circumcision.
www.nocirc.org/symposia/f...ertson.html “Childhood Circumcision: Long-Term Emotional Consequences” by Dr. James Robertson. No photos.
AlaskaSteven: Thank you for the information.
Ron and I received a video the other day which made us sick to our stomachs and that is why he posted this today. It was by Penn & Teller about this very topic. It is very educational tho they are quite humorous and crude as well. (some of their stuff is on YouTube).
Most people are not given the choice when their son is born and this topic has not been widely discussed. Ron's first two son's were circumcised as many boys are routinely done. Seeing an uncircumcised male in college I was intrigued, so learned more about the issue and decided it was totally unnecessary. Seemed like genital mutilation (labia.. girls.. other parts of the world) to me. Just today.. we are finding more and more info about it backing our decision to leave my son's penis the way it was made.
I think it is crucial to make informed decisions in general.. no matter what the topic. Lucky for us we have the internet these days to research and learn. Also.. lucky for us.. there is info on both sides of the coin for every topic and some unbiased info as well.
|So you and Alysia are intactivists!|
|Interesting views...thank you for sharing! This is something that's been (not so prominantly) on my mind, especially with a new nephew.|
'Yal probably already know this, but just in case....
Take eight American 25-cent coins (quarters) and array them two high and four across. This is (on average) the amount of tissue loaded with nerve endings which is missing from a circumsized adult male's penis. Moreover, some of the TYPES of nerve endings which were severed and discarded with that tissue are _only_ found in the foreskin, nowhere else, and are sensitive in ways that other nerve endings are not. (Think about your tongue: some parts taste salt, some sugars, some bitter... same deal, only more so with the penis and sexual sensations). Also, on top of that (no pun intended) with the foreskin missing the remaining glans skin (equivalent to the clitoris in the female) is exposed and becomes both dried and roughened by abrasion against fabrics relative to the moist, tender, acutely sensitive condition of a protected glans overlaid by a protective foreskin -as per the original design of nature.
Think about it.