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Google just creeped me out
Tue, March 27, 2007 - 1:39 AMOk, this is freaky. I just watched this Youtube clip on Google by Masterplan. Stirred by what i watched i tried to gmail it out to people to get their take and to show potentially crucial info i mostly understood already, mainly that EVERYTHING that goes through one's gmail is subject to scanning for keywords which could be used against people in the future. Not too dissimliar to what has been feared about using a lot of sites on the web including tribe.net.
Anyways, i tried to gmail it out and suddenly noticed...that my keypad stopped working..RIGHT AFTER i had cut and pasted in the link for the Youtube video. I tried to type or key in addresses and nothing worked. I tabbed over to tribe.net and keypad works again fine.
Wo...holy big brother moment...
More on this topic that i googled (eep)....
www.small-business-software.net/go...htm
www.archive.org/details/Co...tarian_Urge A recent talk by Cory Doctorow (DOWNLOAD & LISTEN)
www.youtube.com/watch A doc on this subject with interview with Google..ending this off is an exerpt from a site that in 2003 along with 500 other sites gave Google the Big Brother Award:
www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html
It's not that we believe Google is evil. What we believe is that Google, Inc. is at a fork in the road, and they have some big decisions to make. This Google Watch site is trying to articulate and publicize the situation at Google, and encourage more scrutiny of their operations. By doing this, we hope to play a small part in maintaining the web as an information tool that is more useful for the masses, than it is for the elites.
That's why we and over 500 others nominated Google for a Big Brother award in 2003. The nine points we raised in connection with this nomination necessarily focused on privacy issues:
1. Google's immortal cookie:
Google was the first search engine to use a cookie that expires in 2038. This was at a time when federal websites were prohibited from using persistent cookies altogether. Now it's years later, and immortal cookies are commonplace among search engines; Google set the standard because no one bothered to challenge them. This cookie places a unique ID number on your hard disk. Anytime you land on a Google page, you get a Google cookie if you don't already have one. If you have one, they read and record your unique ID number.
2. Google records everything they can:
For all searches they record the cookie ID, your Internet IP address, the time and date, your search terms, and your browser configuration. Increasingly, Google is customizing results based on your IP number. This is referred to in the industry as "IP delivery based on geolocation."
3. Google retains all data indefinitely:
Google has no data retention policies. There is evidence that they are able to easily access all the user information they collect and save.
4. Google won't say why they need this data:
Inquiries to Google about their privacy policies are ignored. When the New York Times (2002-11-28) asked Sergey Brin about whether Google ever gets subpoenaed for this information, he had no comment.
5. Google hires spooks:
Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington.
6. Google's toolbar is spyware:
With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf, and yes, it reads your cookie too. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you connect to Google (which is many times a day). Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google. Any software that updates automatically presents a massive security risk.
7. Google's cache copy is illegal:
Judging from Ninth Circuit precedent on the application of U.S. copyright laws to the Internet, Google's cache copy appears to be illegal. The only way a webmaster can avoid having his site cached on Google is to put a "noarchive" meta in the header of every page on his site. Surfers like the cache, but webmasters don't. Many webmasters have deleted questionable material from their sites, only to discover later that the problem pages live merrily on in Google's cache. The cache copy should be "opt-in" for webmasters, not "opt-out."
8. Google is not your friend:
By now Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites. Webmasters cannot avoid seeking Google's approval these days, assuming they want to increase traffic to their site. If they try to take advantage of some of the known weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, they may find themselves penalized by Google, and their traffic disappears. There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is completely unaccountable. Most of the time Google doesn't even answer email from webmasters.
9. Google is a privacy time bomb:
With 200 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen. Those newly-commissioned data-mining bureaucrats in Washington can only dream about the sort of slick efficiency that Google has already achieved.
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 9:23 AM
The way of the Powwaqa
Brother, i am going to guess that you are familiar with the notion of Re-Wilding...its time we create forests out of cities. Abusive technologies are the great golden carrot of the Devil!
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 9:54 AM
It's not just the internet. Your cell phone has GPS software in it so wherever you go "someone" knows where you are. Which is helpful if you are lost on the mountain in the snow. Passports and drivers licenses now have electronic information embedded in them which is unsecure technology. If someone has a chip reader, which I believe are relatively easy to get, and they are within range of you while you are carrying your ID or walking your microchipped dog they have access to your information. We also spend much of our public life on camera, so smile! All of these things that are supposed to make our lives more convenient potentially have a dark side. I try not to think about it and just live my life but I do save my more subversive conversations for in person.
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 10:18 AM
More on google ~ www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/I love the functionality of Goolge as an empowering tool. It is far beyond anything else i've used. Yet just as with most aspects of our technogical culture, the tools we have are designed and applied through the consciousness of the culture. Our culture is fully twisted at this point, and thus most everything that could empower and liberate us is essentially inverted and then applied to control us. It is really unfortunate. We could create such an amazing culture with all the understanding we have developed about the natural world and how to manipulate its atoms and molecules. But the bad design (everything is toxic) coupled with abusive application, is leading us quite rapidly to a dystopia. The momentum of the dominant system and its structures of control is profound, and though it is clearly coming a part at the edges, and soooo much beauty is emerging everywhere, the system we have, and are largely dependent upon, is one designed for exploitation and control. I still use Google, and Tribe.net, and a cell phone, because the functions they provide are essential to generating responses to the level of challenge that lies before us. Yet i'd love to have options that maintained the functionality, without all the toxicity. |
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 10:34 AM
new nominee, new position
Google for World President...
Mr. Google is more aware of the personal lives of people than our current leaders. And is more aware of what we like to buy. peace? Robert |
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 10:46 AM
What the...?
I followed a bunch of links on the post about an hour ago...and since then gmail hasn't worked. First I couldn't send any messages, and now I can't log in. A whole bunch of different error messages are coming up. WTF?
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 1:36 PM
i'm told that google outside of the US is regulated differently than google inside of the US...
if you look for certain authors from outside America they can be found on google, if you look for these same authors inside of the US you will find nothing using ther google tool. |
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 1:44 PM
gmail freezing up
that is scary. it brings me to the idea of experimenting with searching around on the topic of Google as Big Brother to see if i have anything happen to my computer, only, I really need my gmail account, at least in the short term.
perhaps i will try to switch over and then try it. in the mean time, I've set my computer to cleaan all the cookies every time i shut down my computer and i am gong to start trying out the other search engines, like Ask jeeves k |
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 4:06 PM
So if not google...
Then what's better to use? Or is google the "best" despite the problems...
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 10:15 PM
I think Google are the good guys and that there is a Microsoft and/or US Government fueled PR campaign in place to diss them and scare everybody...
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 12:22 AM
Its more then just MS that doesnt like Google....
I found this article from 2004 particularly interesting.
Thirty-One Privacy and Civil Liberties Organizations Urge Google to Suspend Gmail www.privacyrights.org/ar/GmailLetter.htm |
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 12:50 AM
i'm going to miss gmail
but the search is on for a new e-mail that doesn't suck.
Open to leads... www.planet-save.com was what i used to use. E-mail run on wind power. They crashed a while ago and lost a load of people's e-mails which really sucked. But they seem to be back in action. I know www.photon.net has been aimed at servicing the tribal movement for some time and is aimed at maintaining privacy. |
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 5:59 AM
pretense and paranoia
Whenever I used to get paranoid, I have a friend also very aware of security measures and goverment survelliance tell me 'dont flatter yourself'- I cant imagine that my tiny life and innefectual actions register a blip in the big picture.
And if the government needs a pretense to arrest in'terror'gate and torture me- then they will simply make up one. Evidence of that in all the preceeding genocides and recent visit to Toul Sleng Cambodia reinforced that... Really the nature of the beast is right there and looking you in the face. Corporate advertizing. Just to the left of this text. Getting slicker faster and more aware- of what you buy. If only I had the money to have a middle calss expense account... L |
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 7:51 AM
paranoia no
proactive practices that preserve & model liberty yes.
As of today i now have Ask.com as my search engine-see how big/little a difference that makes. I also have a new e-mail address which is sobeyone (at) photon (dot) net. |
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 12:45 PM
sounds to me like more the problem is what the government might do with info that's avaialble.... so shouldnt we sweat the bad guy?
by the way, i clicked every link on this page and my gmail didnt do anything abnormal. however it does freeze every now and then during other routing activities, but thats probably because i have a few thousand message in there that i know some government official is just dying to index.... |
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 5:22 PM
mhm
yeah the gov, the corporations..who needs to give them frontdoor access to our lives?
My lovely friends have been supplying me with great things in my quest for internet privacy. Check out: www.scroogle.com WICKEDNESS INCREASE! (thanks Lancifer) tor.eff.org/ anonymity online (thanks TWiz!) |
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Sat, March 31, 2007 - 10:54 AM
Some adjuncts
A few things can help a little, though using Gmail leaves you open to a lot of your concerns...fwiw most of the major free webmail providers have similar policies, esp. Yahoo and MSN...if you want to have secure communications a provider like Safe-mail.net might be worth looking into, or a non-web-based mail service.
To cut down Google analysis, use Firefox with NoScript and block googlesyndication.com and google-analytics. Add AdBlock Plus and block images.tribe.net/tribe/js/Adserver.js. Then mark them as "Untrusted". Suddenly all the Tribe ads will be gone and with a little tweaking you can do the same for nearly any website you view. |
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Sun, April 1, 2007 - 7:47 PM
google is not bad
I am fine with their policies on keyword scanning and persistent cookies (extremely common on the internet). or for that matter geo-location. they all make sense in the context. and calling the google toolbar spyware seems silly to me, given the nature of what is sent home. God, that very write-up is fear-based. "calling home" -- as if bi-lateral communications weren't a fundamental component of contemporary networking! And the way they write about cookies is akin to the late 90s fear-based write-ups about cookies -- preying on peoples ignorance of the major functionality cookies necessarily provide.
and i'm all for electronic freedom.... i support in particular the founders of the movement -- the highly respected Electronic Freedom Foundation ... eff.org Google is far more transparent in their policies than say, Microsoft, or a zillion other companies out there. What we're seeing is the convergence of the client computer with the network -- this is an inevitable development of the internet. Google just happens to be at the forefront. Agreed, there are major privacy issues to consider, but it needs to be considered in the greater technological context. It's hardly a big-brother situation. The only time it gets Big Brother'ish is when the American gov't knocks on Google's door and asks them for information, and Google obeys, but they usually do fight these requests as best they can. So again, consider the larger context here. I'm not saying there's no cause for concern, nor even that it's a bad idea to switch from Gmail, but I'm saying equating Google with Big Brother is well, well off-base, and ultimately I consider it a misdirected campaign. I don't believe in monopolies but I do believe in technological convergence, and in the tech world this needs to happen on a standards basis. To the extent that Google is adherent to standards, I support them. Peace out, Shiraz |
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Thu, May 3, 2007 - 4:13 PM
As the constitution states-We the People...we have given our government and authorities powers to control each and everything we do and continually condition us to think in ways that benifit their purpose-what do they want from us ? More money,More power...if we the People objected to what "WE" did,big brother would come down on us hard like a cockroach and pointed toe boots in a corner..to be free of them we have to fight back-and yes we would be the terrorist of our time,patriots another day long after,change is inevitable-all you can do is govern yourself to the best of you belief without intervention and lables...I wish I had better answers to what obviosly will become.
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