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When I lived there and travel to Tokyo, I found it somewhat erotic - although more frequently just plain frustrating and irritating -- to be crammed together like sardines in a train car. Especially during morning rush hour, there is invariably a time when your body or someone else's in pressed up against your front, back or side. Most people try to appear oblivious and just pull in their appendages, and bear it (not bare it), but there seem to be quite a few men (both str8 and otherwise) who seem to enjoy it.
I have had my share of being groped or at least rubbed provocatively by Japanese men on trains. Some of it, of course, is completely accidental. However, there were times when it definitely was not so innocent or at least was mutually pleasant -- to put it mildly.
One time I could feel the guys cock rubbing against my leg - I am taller than many Japanese men (altthough younger men are getting taller and taller as the years go by). He was obviously enjoying the sensation because as we rode along and the train just got more crowded, he proceeded to get a full on erection.
Another, I was on the Keio line leaving Shinjuku at night and it was very crowded. A young guy seemed to not only welcome have me pressed up against him, but he turned himself so that our crotches would be pressed together. This wasn't actually either of us groping, but the force of the bodies and the movement of the train keep us both aroused as we were smashed together at the groin.
There is an urban myth among gays in Tokyo that men who are seeking mutual accidental encounters (rubbing, groping or even stealthful mutual masturbation) will congregate in the last car (or is the first car). Once I saw a tall foreign guy in overall apparently getting a hand job from a shorter Japanese man (last car on the Chuo (Orange) train.
Finally, there used to be a wild event on or near Halloween (Oct 31) on the Yamate train (green circle line around central Tokyo). Each year, hundreds of people in costumes would all meet at Shinjuku station at 9:00pm and then jump all together in the same train (literally filling up the cars like morning rush hour, then at the next stop, everyone would rush like man to change cars -- sort of like musical chairs. I participated once and ended up being videoed on the national television news (since the media decided to show up and film the event). The JR authorities did NOT appreciate it -- especially since some 'regular' passengers were bumped into or caused inconveniences (like not being able to get off the train).
After one such Halloween Train Rush a few years ago, there was a lot of trash (beer cans, wigs, and pieces of costumes) left on the Yamanote (Cirlce Line) trains - because most everybody who had participated was drinking or already drunk by the time the wide train parade got going (typically on a Friday or Saturday night). One guy who I befriended while riding this mad Halloween train rush, was wearing nothing but a yukata (casual cotton kimono) and proceeded to show me that he had nothing on underneath it.
Male-Male Sex in Public Places
Japanese men are not completely bashful - while modest in daily life, they certainly are not adverse to getting their rocks off and men of all persuasions will sometimes have sex in public trysting spots -- called 'hatten basho.' These cruising areas are sometimes in posh locations or in department stores and shopping centers, at public parks, and at the local swimming pools and gyms or sports clubs.
[This topic was first brought up on the forum of Xtube's : CMNM Group by bostonguy22. He also posted the same question - see the first two paragraphs (under a different id) on the CMNM Forum]
Is there any way to go about setting up a CMNM (or, for that matter, just plain NM) scenario with guys you know--without freaking them out? I know a guy or two I might like to have such a scenario with (maybe with some touching or contact but not necessarily any sex), but I don't know how to actually go about approaching the issue in such a way that I don't inadvertently transgress any of their personal boundaries and/or make them uncomfortable.
Like, my roommate, for example. I'd like to be naked around him or with him, but I can't very well say "Hey, dude, can we hang out naked sometime?" That might really weird him out. But, if there were the potential for him to be open to it, it would be something I'd want to do. But, I don't know how to approach the issue at all. I don't how to approach it in a way that I could find out if he'd be open to it without simultaneously risking offending him or making him uncomfortable. Any thoughts?
It's partly going to be 'hard' (lol) for you to pull off (no pun) this scenario if you are not willing to be naked yourself. What I'm saying is -- if you have already been living with roommates and you've not had even any chance for them to see you naked (except just an accidental glimpse) then it probably means that 'nudity' is not (yet) a acceptable part of your 'household' lifestyle or relationship. In order for it to 'happen', you probably need something pretty radical or unusual to cause a change in the status quo. Examples might be: a new roommate (adding another) or exchanging one, or your moving out and finding different roommates- -more accepting or adventurous ones. If that's not an option or you do have an inkling he might be 'ready' and then you shouldn't give up. You can bring 'egg' him along by subtlely and sometimes more drastically forcing the issue and get your naked body seen and maybe his along with it.
By the way, nUdity / cLOthed situations don't have to happen with ONLY people you know -- there are many other kinds of situations so instead of beating a dead horse (lol).. perhaps you need to take up another tactic or seek a new kind of CNMN activity with a set of guys who are more amenable. However, there is a special nature to being naked/clothed with someone who you know, like and can get along with - after all that's one definition of a friend. I realize too that for some people, they 'need' that special bonding with someone, and the CMNM experience may not have much meaning or much excitement if the person is a total stranger. Yet, some guys can only be excited if the person is an unknown stranger. Even luckier when you get to have both. Nonetheless, you've got your objective in mind ... so how do you go about getting to that place where you're both comfortable or at least accepting (i.e. not outraged or embarrassed) by one of you being naked in front of the other?
Tactics for setting the right environment for CMNM and for setting up the sitution with a roommate:
If you going to be living with this roommate a while, there are some ways I can suggest that you can try to set-up CMNM. More than likely you'll just be to getting him and - more likely - yourself) to being nude at certain times when you're together at home. These initial times should be when you are both at ease and relaxed, and then these opportunities can later start get more frequent and perhaps more daring.
Try to come up with natural, unforced occasions when you can get naked in his presence or at least allow him to see you nude. Changing for bed or getting into the shower. In some case, there may be things you can do outside of the apartment/house where nudity would be expected - such as changing at the pool or in a locker room - so that you've seen in other naked where it is expected and inconsequential.
For things to move beyond just such occasional glimpes, you may have to 'set up' some of these
situations -- if it's something that's not been any part of your style of living.
- Such a 'set-up' might be forgetting something like a towel or wash cloth when you're in the shower, or running out of soap or shampoo and having to come out to get some (or one that you just bought but 'forget' to bring with you.
- Use your cellphone to ring (set up the alarm to ring) while you're in the tube and you rush out of the bathroom naked "not knowing he was there" story to grab your phone.
Let him catch you naked a few times innocently.If you are now walking through the house/apartment nude, then it might seem strange to just start doing so.
So you first have to get him used to seeing you in various states of undress.
Start by coming out with no shirt or lounging around only in your boxes or athletic shorts. Later try to set up more 'naked' situations where he catches you naturally for longer than just a quick glimpse and with more visible exposure of your body and genitals. Be sure to intersperse brief innocent exposures with the longer ones - you don't want to raise anxiety by him beginning to think you are targeting him. Also, it would work best if he's also the naked one at times.
This might be his knocking on your bedroom door (to get something you borrowed or that you share - cordless phone, vacuum cleaner, etc) and then him seeing you naked when you casually answer (call him in ) or even open the door. If you have separate bedrooms and you're nude doing something like trying to untie some knotted shoelaces (and you may have the stereo/TV on) or headphones on (so you can't him knock), it appears totally nature and casual for you both.
Talking about sexuality and the male body
It may be helpful - not only for your friendship with your roommates - but also as a way to get everyone in the the living environment used to commenting on (or even discussions) of the human body (male and female), being male, and acknowledgement of sexual urges and needs. You don't have to describe in exquisite details your own sexual exploits all at once, but at least , you should be able to talk about the basic nature of human sexual needs. The topic surely comes up - -if not from you, then through the media.
References to sexual things often come up in movies and TV sitcoms, even news events, and from other friends, so you or your roommate can offer your own comments, opinions or experiences. "Boy, do I know what he's talking about there." It helps to make the other person feel comfortable knowing that you're willing to express yourself on sexual topics.
This assumes that you're already watching TV or videos together. If you're not even spending that much time together or conversing, it's not going to be so easy to share a nude/clothed lifestyle together.
1) Start freeballing - that way you'll already be half naked. Your roommate will get used to seeing your cock, balls and butt if you undress where he can see.
2) If he's too uptight, he'll keep looking away or even ask you to dress in your own room. They will give you clues about how to proceed.
3) If this avoidance behavior persists, especially if he mentions it or draws some attention to it (like leaving the room), you could confront him about his being too uptight or too restrictive on your own personal freedom. 4) If he jokes about it, then you could also joke back with him.. 'Try it out, you might like it'. Just be upfront (and clever).. " seeing me naked doesn't bother you, does it?" How would he answer that but say 'No, not at all."
5) Start a new activity that involves him and you -- and the possibility of nudity - swimming for fitness, gym, fitness club, yoga, weekend sports, jogging, weekend trips or day time outing to the lake, beach, etc.
6) Always sleep in the nude so it won't be strange for you to be naked in and around your bedroom, also when you and he get to do some overnight trips or camping, etc.
7) Get a friend (or a bunch of them) who are nudists (or who like being naked or doing naked stuff) and whom you visit or go out with - taking your roommate along. These friends can invite you and your roomie to get naked. Whether he's gay or straight or maybe better when he's with a woman around, the 'pressure' of your friend's request might help him to break down the barriers so he'll actually get nude too. At least, you can accept your nudist friend's invitation - so you'll be naked in front of your roomie.
8) Have a party! Alcohol seems to be a great excuse for getting rid of clothes and inhibitions. Costume or themes parties can make it easier since invitees are already out of their regular attire anyway. Or plan special party games that require the removal of clothes - sometimes a necessity if things get wet.
9) Dare and double-dares will some work -- especially if the other person just needs a good challenge (or a safe excuse) for getting naked.
Below are some additional suggestions offered by other members of the CMNM Forum:
NakedDevil on Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:25 am
Well, with a roommate situation, it can be pretty easy. Just walk from the shower to your room naked. Or, even though you know your roommate is coming home, pretend you didn't and while your naked say something like, "oh sorry, was doing laundry and didn;t know you were coming home." Then gauge his reaction. But with others you know, it might be harder to set up an "innocent" situation. If you're looking to arrange something with strangers, craigslist.org is a good place to post.
grubernowski on Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:38 pm
Here's one approach I've used with a new roommate. First, tell them I like to sleep naked. Second, go to the fridge for a drink (or something else you take at bedtime). Go to the fridge naked while he's watching TV or doing some other passive activity--and say something along the way to him, like "Is that movie worth seeing?". After that you'll have some more opportunities to be naked in various situations and (in my experience) he'll eventually follow suit. Whether it leads to sex is more a matter of agreement between the two of you, though a compliment on his "equipment" might foster some action. by Grubernowski
Please add your own ideas / suggestions as a comment or better yet, visit the CMNM Forum and join in the discussions. P.S. There is also a CMNM group on Facebook. Kelly (sunbuns / sunbuns99)
Roommate CMNM - How to get it started without risking offense
For one thing .. CMNM is about what it says it means = clothed males / naked males - it's just that that can mean a lot of different things too.
It's not exactly the same as flashing a total stranger - although it could be that. While the guys involved may be strangers (or even friends/acquaintances) there is a usually mutually agreed upon enjoyment for the nude guy(s) as well as the clothed - which is not always true when flashing - the flashee gets an eyeful whether he likes it or not.
For some, it's about dominance and subservience that matters.. so an element of hazing is desired -- commanding and obeying.. but I'm not really keen to get in those type of role-playing games (BDSM) with total strangers - whom I'll never meet again.
So how this CMNM event that can be accomplished with guys who meet in a public place for the first time will depend on who participates and where it happens.
So that's another reason why I couldn't write the details... they are put together yet. I'm only a visitor - staying 3 days/2 nights.
We could meet the first night (Thursday March 20) to plan what to do sometime the next day. Another reason for no details is security.. Putting all the details about precise location and times and everything may get the word out better.. but it also opens it up as a target - there ARE people who in the world who have nothing better to do than badger or humiliate men who love men. So it's best to leave the details fuzzy on publicly visible boards - such as dickflash.
So far only a couple of other guys have indicated a desire to join..- actually only two guys on this site, and a couple from elsewhere... (the CMNM blog and grou.ps/cmnm) but also.. no one has any given any real ideas about what/when/where or how such a CMNM meetup / hookup / party can be or should be.
A few years ago when I tried to get a CMNM event started in London, I had some trouble getting it started. Actually, I don't live in London nor do I really know it that well.. but I have been to London several times and can get around. If you do a bit of looking online, you'll find that the address is an accommodation There is several possibilities. Since I'm already booked for a short stay there. I was thinking that our CMNM event(s) could possibly center around that location. I've had plenty of opportunities to be naked (or see naked men) while staying in a hostel.
One problem is this one is not male-only - although it depends on the room and how many guests are staying. Also, in some hostels, local residents are not allowed to stay or sometimes the guests are not allowed to have visitors. I don't think that's the case.. but I'm not exactly sure. I've heard that the shower rooms afford some chance to some 'accidental' exposure.
We could do something so innocent as
1) meet in the in-house bar/restaurant for drinks or snack,
2) come visit me in my dorm room - and then get around to getting somebody naked - either one of our 'cmnm' group or maybe some of the other guys staying in the room (is that unethical?) -- maybe? But it could be a whole lot of fun.
3) having a party in the room and play strip poker (or an easier kind of game where the loser has to remove a piece clothing until some (or all are naked).
4) More clever would be for several of our 'cmnm' group staying in the same or nearby rooms and then pretending not to know each other.. .. so we can get some going like one guy jerking off in his bunk, and then another guy (our member joining in). It would get some of the other guys (not our group) horny and they would join in the fun... Maybe a little farfetched... but you never know until you try.
Outside the hostel... it's very large and could be very crowded
5) doing some naked dares and having buddies to watch out / bring your clothes to a rendezvous point, or take photos, etc. ...
6) going to a bar/club where nudity is either allowed or required
7) perhaps some one would be willing to host a small group in his apartment, office lounge after hours..etc...
8) Another idea is to have pre-selected roles for a type of simulation - visit to a doctor's for an exam. One guys in the patient, another two play the role of physician and or specialist, there could be a male nurse who gives sponge baths... Am I losing you here?
There are other roles that come to mind.. but it takes a bit of energy, a passion for realism but fantasy, and a place where that could happen. I've written more than I had thought. Let me know what you think or how you would see if working?
If you can make any suggestions, it would be great.
Question: I wanted to see if you had a group of CMNM in northern Indiana for me to join? Any ideas and/or contacts I could make to join in the area? Thanks.
Answer: So.. what do you do when you live in a rural area or far away from a metropolitan area?
Are there any local groups and if not, what you do to get one started?
(Answered by 'sunbuns', Kelly Lewis, editor and admin, Guys Into CMNM blog and social networks).
While they may be members of one of our several social networking (online) groups who live the your area, Northern Indiana (or southern Mich or northwestern Ohio), I don't think there are any real (off-line) CMNM meetings or events -- at least not yet.
CMNM hasn't been recognized for very long and it's still not commonly understood - even by the very men (particularly gay men) who are so turned on by it. There are elements of it in so many activities / situations that are NOT simply sexual by definition. For example, there may be a men's nudist group in your area or close by. While many don't advocate sexual behavior at their events, some don't prohibit certain types of opportunities where naked and clothed men can intermingle.
Another form of CMNM often occurs in certain male sports or fitness situations - joining a YMCA, or other type of fitness club, or amateur sports league often gives a guy (CM or NM) a chance to interact with other males in clothed or naked situations. Obviously, there may not be any overt sexual behavior but it can nevertheless be highly stimulating.
For overt sexual situations, you can try a gay baths/sauna. I think Toledo has at least one, and there are certainly some in a few of the major cities around you; likewise a few gay bars have events where nudity (or semi-nudity) is condoned, or even where it is encouraged in backrooms, or enclosed patios, etc.
Of course, you can try to start a group -- or at least - hold a CMNM event in your area. I have lots of ideas and would do as much as possible to help promote in on our blogs, and social networks, etc. Depending on when it's held, I might be able to attend or organize/host part of it (I'll be traveling in North America from August 1 - 30 -from Hawaii to New York, from San Franciso, California to Provincetown, MA).
One way to start is to make your interest known by joining one (or all) of our Guys Into CMNM social networks. You may want to use a separate email address (since your real identity may expose you to some unwanted noisiness or scrutiny). However, in today's world, it has become less of a problem publicly admitting that one is gay. However, homophobes and morally self-righteous extremists still exist (and may actually be thriving).
It's probably obvious but it will take some initiative and some effort on the part of at least one person to get such an event or group started. However, even one is not enough. Therefore, you have to try to encourage or attract guys to actually participate FIRST as people -- not as sexual objects. If you try to 'round up' a bunch of hunks for your own private orgy, it's not going to work unless you look like a male fashion model and have the body of an Olympic athlete. To be realistic, most guys into CMNM are just regular guys. The guy down the street or the one who works at the mall or in local office building. What's it going to take to get them to come up with the courage to attend a CMNM event. My advice for guys trying to get a group started is to first make it a fully clothed gathering to initially.
Then a part of the group's activity can be to do something that involves nudity for a fairly short and non-threatening, fun activity - such as ask (or hire) a nude model for some sketching of the naked male form. Or watch a movie where male nudity is a recurring theme or important point in the plot. Hold a pool party or barn dance, play badminton or horseshoes, and allow some of the participants to disrobe. Set up a fashion night or a costume party in which the 'models' strip for a certain 'runway' event or make it a fund-raiser for charity by letting the audience bid for removal of each piece of clothing for some 'lucky' or willing volunteer who, thereby, gets stripped.
Sexual behavior (penetrative anal or oral) does not have to be involved - especially when the group's members are just meeting for the first time. If there are sparks, then it's better that things develop slowly so that everyone knows the boundaries and feels comfortable acting within them before starting any more 'aggressive' types of CMNM behaviors or situations, especially those involving domination or humiliation or mild bondage.
It's not easy but it can be done. It's just not going to happen over night and the key to first find a couple of others who are interested and also willing to be patient with the slow development of the group. Most guys who are turned on my other men sexually just want to jump to the wild orgy -- and that's NOT going to happen in most cases. If you want sex with strangers, then use Craig's List or go to a gay sex club, or travel to where there is one.
I know I've gone long to answer, but it was a good question, and one whose answer I can attempt to make an appropriate blog entry. Good luck and let me know how I might be able to help out.
Kelly Lewis, "sunbuns" - editor and admin, Guys Into CMNM blog and social networks
VISIT THESE SITES BELOW:
( Our blog which also links to CMNM groups)
Or use the simple URL: winksite.mobi/sunbuns/cmnm/
(The 'newest' Guys Into CMNM site. It's mainly for use on mobile phones,
but can be accessed on the Internet via a computer too).
(This is a mishmash of different sites and tools that, in effect, works much the
same way as a single integrated social network does).
(You need to be logged into Facebook before you can find this one.)
(A simple but still working Guys Into CMNM social network site)
(An experimental social networking site that works across multiple devices: PC, iPad, iPhone, etc).
For my part, I see CMNM scenes/interactions as something far broader than just humiliation vs power/control. As I think back over my 'development' as boy/teen/young adult/ mature male, I have a strong reason to believe that nudity (showing skin) is a fundamental and important form of male-male communication. While power/pecking order/rank/machismo are important aspects of the CMNM lifestyle (sexual preference/fetish - I hate to limit it to being JUST a sexual fetish) I think it is just how and where such kinds of experiences actually occur (for what purpose do the men are doing the CMNM 'acts/behaviors' ) that determines more whether the 'sexual eroticism' of the CMNM involves a power exchange or not. Oddly enough, we've been having a similar (but limited because of text lenght) discussion on the CMNM Xtube group (that I started recently).
I think there are three broad categories for how and where CMNM occurs. And you can probably take that to mean its 'purpose' - it's not always has to do with just sex (getting off). When we start to view men's sexual and erotic behaviors as more than just SEX, then it both complicates and liberates the discussion/analysis.
1) planned or commercial situations where both parties involved, the clothed man (males) and naked ones are participating willingly and in predetermined locations (such as a bar, Pride event, male strip club, male lap-dancing, or private group sex parties. Some examples are nude nights at some gay bars, or stripping contests, or amateur strip nights, or hiring a nude escort or sex 'massage' escort (not to be confused with a real licensed masseur or massage therapist). Some are these 'planned' CMNM events are a part of a larger men's gathering or nude or sexual retreat - CMEN, Burning Man, or Street Festival (Southern Decadance in New Orleans or Dore Alley Fair in San Francisco).
2) pre-meditated, semi-random or semi-accidental, spontaneous or simply one-way CMNM (this is a very gray area - so it's not clearly definable)..
I don' t think that BOTH the nude and clothed male have to both be willing participants for it to count as a CMNM situation. For one of them, it may seem completely 'natural' or accidental. In these types of CMMN situations, only ONE of the two manipulates (or at least it appears that one side is cognizant and the other side is ignorant (or innocent) of 'planning' or 'willingly' participant in sexually stimulating their counterpart. So the exact environment or conditions are very important but also very unique and specific to the situation (like good timing in while visiting your Uncle's home, etc) so that one male can either be nude or be the clothed one who enjoys seeing the nude male in a place where nudity may or may not be expected. Perhaps 'flashing' (showing your body/gentitals/nudity) to another male (clothed or not) may be a subset of this category ... or not.. I'm not quite sure.
As has been pointed out, one essential factor is whether power/control is involved and whether the sexual arousal is experienced by both (Clothed or Nude) participants. I think that the degree to which the CMNM event or act may or may not be related to whether or not it is a voluntary act or coerced or forced on the other party (by force, persuasion or manipulation that physical or psychological or social pressure or even some combinations of all three. is also important. Another important point is whether the power/submission is part of the social construct (police office / arrestee or suspect, teacher or coach / student or athlete or officer -military 'grunt' (lower rank), priest - altar boy, etc) or simply an interpersonal construct... kind of like role-playing like the father -son (daddy - boy) relationships that some gay men prefer.
3) accidental or unintended CMNM experiences (like when someone opens a toilet stall door and exposes a naked (or masturbating/erect guy), or getting locked out (pushed out) of a hotel room by college buddies, etc... ).
There are all kinds of variables that come into play and the huge extremes in the level of conscious and unconscious sexual turns-on with all of these variations. the subtleties or the directness (blatantness) are different for every purpose and every person.
Certainly, one aspect of CMNM involves flashing. Flashing is a form of exhibitionism - from mild to wild to extreme - exposing one's body, specifically the genitals and/or buttocks (or breasts in women) to another person or group of people (who may or may not be clothed). Mild forms of it are 'accidental exposure' or peekaboo flashing -which are so very common among some social groups and situations -- so much so that it is absolutely NOT even regarded as any form of 'sexual' behavior at all - especially in some circles or subcultures.
Peekaboo flashing often takes the form of nudity at college boy dorm and social events or frat parties, nudity at sporting events, rock concerts and public events where young and often drunk people gather to 'have fun'. But it also exists on a more personalized basis .. such as between college dorm roommates or when regular handymen or deliverymen come to a person's house (sometimes repeatedly) and some accidental exposure to (male) nudity occurs. There are legions of stories -- many probably urban legend -- about the voyeuristic adventures of pizza delivery boys, UPS truck drivers, and newspaper delivery boys - some of which they have documented (in blogs, Youtube, porno, etc) but more they themselves often are actually the targeted brunt of someone else's desire for getting-naked-for-the-pizza-guy prank. I have a strong feeling that many times such 'jokes' actually have latent homoerotic desires or subcurrents underlying the 'urge' to strip or to have someone stripped. You have alluded to that type in your posts above. Why then would getting the guys naked or panstied or teabagged be the NUMBER ONE hazing or college party pranks for seemingly millions of boyish breeder-types (twinks and young college or NON-college men up to age 30 or so). Spend some time searching YouTube or similar sites (or more blatantly risque or explicit video-sharing sites) to get a better idea of what I am talking about.
So this is an important form of CMNM experience that I don't really address in the above and that's because it's not easily categorized: flashing. Perhaps it's only related or could be considered a fourth sub-category or type of CMNM.
Showing one's naked body and/or genitals (without or without an erect state) seems to transcend almost all the above categories. It may be accidental or at least spontaneous, it is definitely a conscious act (though I guess a nude 'sleepwalker' doesn't plan his actions), and it may or may not occur in socially accepted circumstances... can you call show your cock (semi-erect) to another guy on a nude beach 'flashing'? Maybe it has more to do with the reality of erotic or sensual communication (body language, etc) than mere act of being naked in front of a clothed male.
[ The author of this article is sunning his buns at a public seaside park. ]
I went to 24 Kaikan in Shinjuku (Tokyo) one afternoon several months ago and stayed to nearly midnight. I guess there were lots of guys out because it always gets festive and a bit wild around a Japanese holiday (it's not a holiday - but feels like one since the new fiscal year (new work year (and new employees) and schools start their academic years this week). So a even an natural event like cherry blossoms being in full bloom prompts an activity known as hanami or 'sakura-viewing' (cherry blossom viewing) and that's a good excuse for people to stroll under them - day and night - and also have picnics under or near the cherry trees that always have alcohol as part of the festivities.
I guess too the warmer weather makes everyone hornier because hormones are flowing. Note: When I was out with my friend, Mogi, on Saturday for 'hanami', I can't tell you have many stiff semi erect cocks I saw in guys' pants as we strolled along the sidewalks or made our way through the crowds of weekend shoppers. I just KNEW something was in the air!
When I arrived at 24 Kaikan, I changed and got naked and proceeded to lay out on the roof top of the 7 story building. It is a sun deck and there is a partially enclosed shower stall. You are not supposed to be naked there (posted NO FULL NUDITY).. but I always try to do so -- perhaps clandestinely - but no always discreetly! (LOL). There was not any action there - but for me, being naked in public always stimulates my hormones and makes what it better once I descend to the lower floors in search of raw sex with horny Japanese men. One older European man did come up to the roof, and ogled me while I showered naked, but he didn't linger.
Knowing that I can be spied on by people (men) in the surrounding buildings is certainly stimulating. I did get involved in a 4-5 person orgy and ended up fucking the ass of two different guys who wanted as many cocks up their butts as possible. One of the guys watching me plow their assholes was a younger Japanese guy who let me clutch his hand while he bent over behind me and looked at my cock stuffing the guy's anus.
Later, while I was getting sucked while standing beside of the bunk beds by a 30-something Japanese dude I have 'encountered' several times at 24K, that same young guy who watched the butt-fucking. He let me kiss him and grope him so he and I ended up climbing into the top bunk and having a long and intense session. He loved being rimmed and having his hole fingered. Eventually, he came with me stuffing fingers up his ass.
Kelly (sunbuns) from a Wall post on one of my other explicit blogs: otoko-gay.blogspot.com
Wondering if any of you have had any experience on trying the Japanese Onsen or hot springs?
Guys, wondering if any of you have had any experience on trying the Japanese Onsen or hot water spring? any tips or hints on what should you do in there? i could google it but I wanted to know and hear the first hand experience from all of you who had tried it. I heard that for uncut guys it is a no no if you keep your cock head covered with the foreskin...is it true?. Well, would love to hear from you as I will visit japan next month and might have the chance to try one of the onsen or bath houses. . First time experience for me to be naked around other men. Can't wait.
Follow up: Ernie
I lived in Japan for several years and it was a real treat to go to the Onsens/Sento. There's a lot of etiquette to observe but the main one is to wash before you get into any bath - doesn't have to be a thorough wash as you usually have a good scrub/shampoo after you soak anyway...but you never get into a bath without a bit of a 'token' wash. Main thing is NO soap anywhere near a bath. I found the Japanese a little peculiar when it came to foreskin - it's considered infantile to publicly 'display' your foreskin so most men keep them skinned back - I didn't have to worry about that! I had Japanese friends who didn't care either way so don't fret about it. I got so used to seeing knobs on display that a couple of times when other 'foreigners' were bathing, I got quite shocked to see long floppy skins! Hope you enjoy it, it's great getting naked with other men and throwing water everywhere.
Follow up: jax2nola
Remember that Japan is still very much a closed society, not terribly tolerant of outsiders. At the mainstream onsens, you might not notice it much. There is a great one at Odaiba, a touristy island in Tokyo Bay, called Oedo Onsen that is made up to look like a Japanese 1800s village with huge indoor and outdoor bathing areas. At the gay baths (24 Kaikan in Tokyo was one we went to), you might feel a little ostracized. Also know that if you have tattoos you might not be welcome at all, as the Japanese associate tattoos with the yakuza or mobsters. Have fun!
Follow up: spunkhole
People take a small towel into the communal bathing area with them (leave your big towel outside in the changing area). most guys hold this over their cocks when walking around, though not always so careful to hide everything. a token effort is enough to be polite. this little towel I used to wash yourself and to wipe most of the moisture off before you leave. dry off in the cooler changing area. the baths are usually hotter than westerners are used to, so it takes a while to cool down a bit. the onsen are great (so many to choose from), especially in remote areas and in winter when there's snow on the ground. the same etiquette applies here as in city bathhouses, which are also good for a visit. many now have saunas installed too,which gives a better opportunity for very discreet cruising.
Reply by sunbuns99
What the difference between an onsen, a public bath, and a gay sauna or gay bathhouse?
Let me remind you that there are several types of 'baths' in Japan.
There are 3 main types. The first two are for everyone - either for relaxation or healing as is the case of onsen, or for cleasing of the body, which is what 'sento' (or public bath) is for. The third are saunas (or health spas) while many are straight and just for relaxation or health self-treatment - a lot of these later ones are for sex -- some are for gay men.
1) onsen (Japanese word) or 'hot springs' baths . There are both natural ones and man-made ones.
The owners pride themselves on the mineral content and temperature of their natural hot springs - so the man-made ones try to imitate those qualities.
These 'onsen' are normally (and almost always now) divided into male and female dressing rooms and the baths themselves are separate, but until only about 15-20 years ago, it was still possible to find conjugal ones (where men and women got into the same bath - after changing in separate room). I use to go to one like that at Ikuho on Mt. Haruna in Gunma Prefecture. Ikuho is one of the oldest commercially operated hot springs resorts in Japan.
So you can travel to certain locations that are famous for their 'onsen' or you can sometimes find one in a major hotel or resort (man-made) - even in big cities. For example, there is an 'onsen' in the ritzy chic shopping district of Azabu Juban (not far from Roppogi).
One interesting variation is the 'rotenburo' - or open-air hot springs bath. In some onsen resorts (and even the man-made ones - like Odaiba mentioned above), part of the hot springs bath is in the open air (outdoors) - while usually divided by gender, that is not always the case so you'll need a towel handy to keep covered for modesty in mixed baths.
Noboribetsu in Hokkaido is a famous example, but there are some in most onsen resort locations (such as Hakone, about an hour by express train southeast of Tokyo).
One of my favorites was the free public open-air outdoor hot spring bath right on the beach at Shirahama, Mie (about an hour south of Osaka). It's really fun to be able to sit in warm water right next to the cool ocean water - or to take turns soaking in each. (P.S. I have no idea if it is still operating).
2) 'Sento' are public baths. There used to be one in every neighborhood but as times have changed and indoor plumbing virtually universal in Japan (except some places in the countryside), public bath (or sento) are pretty much few and far between.
Those that are still operating successfully have usually upgraded their facilities and offer onsen-like features like a dry sauna, and open air bathing or have installed mineral baths, which actually piped in artificially-made hot mineral water.
Yet, there are a few of the old-fashioned ma & pa 'sento' still around. In these, you pay when you come into the dressing room, where an older man or woman sits atop a high seat that overlooks both the male and female dressing rooms. Don't worry - he or she has seen it all a million times - meaning your nudity is not going to shock them - albeit you may be shocked to have to undress in front of a withered old woman or man. The 'sento' that do still operate are usually frequented by the old-fashioned types who just enjoy the naked camaraderie (or 'skinship') of a good soak in a large hot tub, but more likely by those who must live in cheap or communal apartments that do still exist even in Tokyo. They are young men (or women) with low paying jobs who probably couldn't finish high school, older day-laborers, or one of the few foreign blue-collar workers who lives cheaply in order to send part of his earnings back to his family in his native country.
I can't tell you how many times I have enjoyed watching one of these young hunky workers peal back his foreskin for a good cleaning or wash his butt hole. Somehow it always seemed that they were just preoccupied with their mundane chore to notice the wide-eyed onlooker sitting opposite them, partly hiding his growing erection behind the low mirrored partition that separated us.
3) The saunas or health spa ('herusu') are the third type. Of these, there are 3 basic types: A. a genuine sauna for straight people; B. a gay bath house; and C. a straight sex club where men can pay for sexual favors - usually a soapy hand job from a female 'attendant'.
I don't know much about the A or C, but I've been to the gay bath houses in Tokyo and Osaka several times. The major ones in Tokyo are the 24 Kaikan (there are several, but the one in Shinjuku is probably the best). I found Hokuokan in Osaka to be even bigger and better, but maybe it only because it was new for me (I rarely get to visit Osaka).
Info about the gay district in Tokyo on my own Travel with Sunbuns (blog)
Popular gay spots in Tokyo:
Info about Tokyo's 24 Kaikan (gay bathhouse):
Info about Hokuokan gay bathhouse / sauna in Osaka:
That's enough info for now.
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Why anyone would choose LA (Los Angeles) over San Diego (or San Fran or Palm Springs or any other place in CA), I'll never never know. Somehow, I just have never found the charm of LA - maybe because it doesn't exist. Well.. enough said about that. Let's talk about San Diego as a great gay travel destination.
San Diego can be a wonderful tourist destination for anyone but, of course, it also is a very nice gay travel site.
Old Town is worth at least a short visit, Sea World and Safari Park (if you have time) but the Zoo and all the attractions in Balboa Park should be taken in. Have dinner (or lunch) in Hillcrest, which is where most of the gay community and businesses are located. Be sure to take the advice (given elsewhere) of having of lunch or at least coffee at Hotel del Coronado - the drive out there is worth it and come back by the Silver Strand - wide flats beach road.
If you have time, it's worth visiting Mexico - Tiajuana is NOT the best face of Mexico but going further south in Baja de California would be worth it. Don't miss going to Black's Beach - the easiest way to get there is to take the Genessee Road exit on I-5 (headed north) or you can also take it from from I-805 (just takes longer). Continue north up Torrey Pines Rd until the road descends to the seashore just after the entrance to Torrey Pines State Reserve (a CA state park). You can park along the road at the beach or if it's too crowded, go inside the park ($10 entrance fee per car). Walk south about 1 mile to Flat Rock (a landmark outcropping along the beach, and then continue about 0.8 mi to the nude beach - here's where the 'gay' section).
I was just there on March 1 and met up a great guy whom I had known online from another site. We are just fooling around for a candid photo.. there is NOT public sex on the beach - although the hillside dune area used to be very cruisy. The hang gliders overhead make for a great site and scenery (not just nude people ) is highly photographic.
If you have more time to spend, then consider a trip to the high country at Julien (it had snowed the day before I passed thru there on my way to San Diego from Palm Springs. A very beautiful drive is to follow I-8 to Junction of Hwy 79 follow it to Julien - you'll go through Cuymaca State Park where you'll see some great highland countryside and terrific monoliths along the alpine slopes. Julien makes a nice little stop for lunch or antique shoppping, then back track and go through the Anza-Borrega State (Desert) Park toward the Salton Sea. The road from Borrega Springs that I enjoy is S-22 which winds through desert hillside and makes a great place to hike (nude when possible). You'll come out near the middle point of the Salton Sea at Salton City so you can head north up Hwy 86 (4 -lane) to get to I-10 and then left (west) to Palm Springs (and eventually LA).
I hope you have a great trip getting to see San Deigo, Palm Springs, and LA (just a little bit) with a stop at San Onofre Beach nude / gay beach on I-5 at Basilone Rd exit just north of Camp Pendelton.
My love of being nude outdoors and hopefully in front of other men probably stemmed a lot from what happened (or didn't ) in childhood, in my pre-teenage years and in adolescence. Of course, it depends on what you mean when you stay started flashing.' But that's a whole other issue.
One of my first 'flashing' or exhibitionist experiences was in the 3rd grade - age 8. I had a school friend whose house was far from mine (we rode a school bus). Sometimes, in order for us to play, our parents would allow me to ride home with him, and then either mine or his mother would bring me home. He had a real wooden 'playhouse' in his backyard - complete with furniture, windows/curtains, and he also lots of toys and also clothes (his mother's mostly) for playing 'dress up.' We'd strip naked and put on the old clothes. I have an image of me running around his yard with a thin chiffon blouse with nothing else but a hard-on underneath. NO... I did not (and do not) get
aroused by wearing female clothing - it was just the act of getting naked to dress up (only partially clothed) that excited me. I vaguely remember us comparing stiff dicks but I don't think we really did anything with them - although I kind of have a faint memory of us doinng something with granulated sugar on our prepubescent woodies. My family moved every year during this period, so I didn't stay there long enough for things to develop further.
At about the age of 13 or so, - just about the time I discovered masturbation, I remember going out often after dark at 9-10 at night and then stripping off my clothes and sneaking around the neighborhood homes' backyards, garages, etc. One reason was the fact that I really did not have a place to jerk off. There were six people in the family and only one bathroom. While the basement was being turned into a third bedroom and family room, my brother and I had to sleep in the living room - just steps from my parents' room - so there was little privacy.
The basement floor of our house, whose back wall opened to the outside since the house was on a hill, so it was easy enough to go out without my parents knowing (and my brother was asleep). My mother was a nurse and often worked the 3-11 shift.
Once during one of these 'night walks', I was naked and my clothes were out of reach. I was sitting on a low rock wall behind my neighbor's house and was jacking on my cock in the moonlight. All of a sudden, a kid a year or so younger than me and whom I didn't know personally appeared out of the darkness. "What are you doing?" I was surprised and was so startled I lost my erection quickly. I guess because I knew he lived about 8 houses down on the next street - it got me scared that he tell someone or the word would get around. Actually - I realized later by the way he kept asking more questions about what I doing, he was probably curious about the jerking off.
He asked me if I lived next door, pointing to my house. But I denied it, saying I lived on another street. I got up and grabbed my shorts and shirts, put them on hastily and got out of there. Later when I got back to my bed, the fear lessened, and reasoning kicked in, and then I realized how much it had turned me on to be discovered like that - naked and jerking.
Later I wondered what he was doing out alone at night and further from his house than I ventured. Probably he would have joined me in getting naked and jerking if I'd handled it differently.
I guess that these events might account for my continuing habit of getting naked in public whenever I could. Later as a teenager, I used to take long rides on my bicycle and eventually find a place to get naked out in the country. Since it was broad daylight, I never really had the guts to risk getting caught - so I stayed pretty well sheltered from direct public view. But the excitement was always there because I could have been caught (or seen), and I never failed to cum quickly once I was completely naked.
One time a couple of summers ago, I got naked in a public park overlooking Tokyo Bay. I ended up being seen by a couple of curious male onlookers (casual strangers who were walking by and who seemed to 'know' that seeing sunbathers was common here). Of course, I think I was the only sunbather who was actually nude. Well. one of the curious onlookers was a young Japanese guy who eventually got closer and closer and finally came up to me with his passions obviously enflamed by my daring. I was lying naked in the grass, and standing over me (clothed), he encouraged me to beat off to ejaculation right in front of him. It was a very hot experience and one that has kept me trying to 'repeat' it for a couple of years of dickflashing experiences since then.
I wrote about this in my latest JUB blog entry and also on my Guys Into CMNM (Clothed Male / Naked Male) blog.
Visit his group at groups.google.com/group/ymna
Dailymotion - there is a search mechanism on the home page but it is
often better to go into a Dailymotion member's page and then into the
groups he lists. You can find more Dailymotion groups by clicking on
other members who have posted a relevant video to that group. Here is
one start point:
Vimeo - similar to Dailymotion in having members' pages and groups, but
there are also forums, channels and 'likes'. It is probably more
extensive too. This link will take you through to around 3000 video
clips liked by one Vimeo member:
Youtube - they used to have zero tolerance on clips containing nudity
but have relaxed their policy in the past couple of years. You need to
sign in and click you are OK about watching mature images. Use the
search mechanism and then choose a video to watch. From there, click on
other videos by the same user or on similar clips listed on the right
side of the page. Here is one point to get you started:
Note: you should be able to download any of the streaming videos posted
to the above sites - and to many others too - if you have the right
software. I believe there are several possibilities, but as a Firefox
user I simply click on the free Downloadhelper add-on.
Other sources of on-topic videos:
Some groups and blogs post videos of real-life male nudity, including
groups belonging to Eric and Gaydorado.
A few blogs post short movies with a gay theme and sometimes full-length
ones too, e.g.
Some other blogs post bare-in-public videos but many are in it for the
money they make from the file-sharing sites they use. One long-running
blog that does not, having thousands of clips available to view on-line
but most unfortunately of poor picture quality, is:
Groups with a nudist theme - and a male nudist theme in particular -
have fallen right away. Those on Google have mostly been deleted by
Google, whereas many groups previously on Yahoo have disappeared or
migrated to blogs.
Several with a wider remit do continue. I no longer recommend Gaydorado
following his increasingly hysterical tirade against 'liberals' and gay
activists (despite being a gay man living in Russia under its anti-gay
laws). However the great Eric has been around even longer than me and is
still posting. Find his group and his blog here:
Another group owner who started about the same time is Lowell. Like
Sean, he specialises in video compilations. His video links on Picasa
can be difficult to activate, though his Mediafire links are not, at
least until Mediafire deletes him:
One group I do recommend for its discussions and photos, especially for
the bears among you, is:
There are several different blog providers, but these days Tumblr
carries the large majority of blogs. You may have to sign up to Tumblr
to see them, but it is free and quick to do so and you do not have to
create a detailed profile or post any pics yourself. There are many
hundreds of Tumblr blogs that include photos of male nudists or
real-life male nudity (as distinct from posed pics of models). Some have
been around a long time, others seem to come and go. The links below
were active a couple of days ago.
Blogs mostly about nudism and which include images of males (not a full
list and not in any order of preference).
Add archive after those with a tumblr.com/ link to see clickable
thumbnails of previous pictures:
Blogs mostly about real-life male nudity but sometimes with images of
male nudists and/or porn too. This is just a selection and again not in
any order of preference.
Add archive after those with a tumblr.com/ link to see clickable
thumbnails of previous pictures:
Again a selection. Many are not English language.
My own blog. It has a few hundred images of nudists and World Naked Bike
Ride participants, as previously posted to the group, but most of the
blog is about other things that interest me:
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